Knee Deep in the Passenger Seat

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Knee Deep in the Passenger Seat

Knee Deep in Artistic Rope

September 17, 2025 • Cady & Sharilyn • Season 2 • Episode 2

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In this episode of Knee Deep in the Passenger Seat, Cady and Sharilyn welcome Lindy — a powerhouse in the Kansas City rope community and the foundress of the Sisterhood of Artistic Rope (SOAR). Together, we unravel the art of Shibari: its rich history, its role in queer culture, and how rope can be both sensual expression and radical empowerment.

Lindy opens up about building safer, more inclusive spaces for femme-identifying folks in the rope scene, shares moving success stories from SOAR participants, and takes us behind the curtain of their newest venture blending burlesque and rope performance.

You’ll also hear practical advice for newcomers curious about rope, reflections on community and connection, and plenty of laughs as we tie it all together (pun intended).

✨ Whether you’re rope-curious, a seasoned rigger, or simply here for the stories, this episode invites you to reflect on identity, expression, and what it means to feel empowered in your body.

NOTE FROM OUR GUEST AND ROPE PRO: Rope can be potentially very dangerous, so it's always recommended to do research, go to classes, etc. before diving in. ALSO, any body can be a rope body, but what each person is capable of may vary and that's ok! Explore safely, y’all!

Referenced in this Episode:

Sanu the Poly Fairy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sanuthepolyfairy/
Shay Tiziano on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/shaytiziano/?hl=en
Tying & Flying (book) by Shay Tiziano
Shibari Study (paid subscription on app)
The Duchy (free & paid content)
Rope365
ropestudy.com (lots of free content)

Connect with Lindy:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopsandropes/ (Private, but feel free to DM and let her know that you heard her on the pod!)
SOAR Instagram: @sisterhoood.of.artistic.rope
SOAR FetLife: SOAR_KC
SOAR Facebook: SOAR KC

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Cady Moore (00:23)
All right. Hello everybody. Welcome to Knee Deep in the Passenger Seat, the podcast where we take the scenic route through sex, dating.

relationships, non-monogamy, queer culture, all the spicy shit in between. My name is Cady and I am a sex educator and coach and proud snake-milf based in Sacramento, California. And I'm here with my wife-in-law, who will introduce herself.

Sharilyn Wester (00:48)
Hi, it's me, the wife in law. My wife! I'm Sharilyn. I'm a social work student. I'm an artist. I'm a real MILF. I'm a cat MILF. I'm a MILF to all my little sweet babies and creatures of the world, I suppose. I am a

Cady Moore (00:50)
My wife!

Which is a real MILF.

You are the are the MILF

of all.

Sharilyn Wester (01:10)
I'm a MILF of many. Yeah, I'm gonna sign off my resume and all my emails with that, the MILF of many. I am an artist, I write poetry, I do makeup, I do photography, I kind of do all that stuff. And I'm pretty gay and I'm pretty neurospicy. And yeah, and that's me. And we're here to bring you unfiltered conversations with humor, heart, obviously chaos.

Cady Moore (01:27)
chee hoo sister.

Sharilyn Wester (01:38)
We like to navigate love, we unpack identity a little bit, we dive headfirst into hyper fixations, and we've got your back cheeks. That used to say back seat, but I changed it to back cheeks, because it's better.

Cady Moore (01:47)
Back cheeks! That's new and

I love it. I was like back cheeks. Honestly, I pictured when you said back cheeks, I pictured the little dimples like the back dimples that some people get and how like, bro, like I am in love with them and deeply envious of them. Anyway.

Sharilyn Wester (01:54)
I wanted to surprise you.

Cady Moore (02:10)
buckle up y'all.

we are diving into the world of Shibari with our incredible guest Lindy aka Hops, who is not-- yes, we're so excited!-- Who is not only an artistic queer poly kinky rope slut within the Kansas City rope scene, but has expanded her talents into teaching the art of Shibari and starting her own community initiative called the Sisterhood of Artistic Rope. And we are so excited to have her here today.

Sharilyn Wester (02:17)
Yay!

I'm so f-

So fucking excited. Thank you for joining us, Lindy, first of all.

Lindy (02:42)
Thank you so much. I'm so excited. I know we talked about this forever ago and day's finally here. So I'm very excited to be here.

Sharilyn Wester (02:50)
It's finally here. I

know I've been like, I've been like a little kid in those like 60s cartoons like going up to the like calendar on the wall and like marking off every day. And just on the on today is just a picture of your sweet face with your long princess hair with with Shibari on you. ⁓ So Lindy, you're also quite well traveled. You visited 4 different continents and 12 countries. You once had a night out with

Cady Moore (03:00)
Paper chain.

It's perfect.

Sharilyn Wester (03:15)
the band Big Time Rush after crossing paths with them at a bar, which is I'm super excited to ask and get into. ⁓ So yeah, we're gonna get into that, for sure.

Cady Moore (03:24)
So Lindy, we like to open our episodes with asking what is in everyone's passenger seat. We will give you a little bit of time to think about it and I will turn to Sharilyn and ask you Sharilyn today, what is in your passenger seat today?

Sharilyn (03:34)
Yes.

Um,

I have been, like, consumed and I think I said this the other week with like maladaptive daydreaming about my D&D campaign which unfortunately I knew was gonna happen but I just think about the characters and they are my little friends in my head now and all of my players have given them life and they just I just make them kiss in my head and like do all these like crazy things and I'm like how can I like make this like the most traumatizing but like heartfelt story

for them. And so I ruminate on death a lot lately and wizards and shit, dragons and dungeons. ⁓ Both of them. Yeah. ⁓ So that's basically what has been consuming me today. What about you, Cady?

Cady Moore (04:16)
Mmm.

Both of them.

Let me let me tell you it shows we had D&D on Sunday and this bitch showed up in full cosplay for an NPC and had like the most elaborate setup planned to be able to introduce me to an NPC that my character was the only character who could see and there was so much like there was so much fan service for like

Sharilyn (04:32)
Ha ha ha ha.

Cady Moore (04:51)
Like Sharilyn was doing shit specifically to make me laugh and it was so charming and I lowkey want to make you do Gary's voice but I know that's a spoiler for the rest of the party so we won't.

Sharilyn (04:54)
Yep. Yep.

No one gets

Gary. We'll do I'll do it for Lindy after we stop recording. ⁓ But no one else.

Cady Moore (05:05)
Perfect, yeah. Yeah,

y'all have to be in our top tier Patreon subscribers to get Gary's voice. We don't have a top tier. There's only one tier. It's $5 and it gives you the videos. My passenger seat, I was torn between going like gamer girl nerd or...

Sharilyn (05:14)
Yeah.

Yes.

Cady Moore (05:25)
queer girl shit and we're going gay. I finally started watching I Kissed a Girl which is very Love Island coded if you are a reality TV show person. The premise is that two ⁓ girls walk in and kiss each other without ever having met and then everybody like hangs out in the villa and then they have a like basically kissing recoupling. I'm in the middle of my first recoupling. ⁓

But what I am specifically loving about it is that I am too polysaturated to date right now and really desperate for like queer affirming experiences. And so I've been really trying to consume as much queer media instead of straight media as possible. So I've been reading queer romance novels and now I'm like, I'm gonna watch queer reality TV. And there was a scene in this show.

Sharilyn (06:04)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Cady Moore (06:17)
where they all were asking each other like what they identify as and someone was talking about how they don't use the word lesbian because it's been used as like a derogatory term and so they just feel really uncomfortable every time they like think of the word lesbian for themselves and someone else shared they're like well do you know that the L is first in LGBT because during the HIV AIDS crisis, lesbians were the first people to show up and take care of gay men.

Sharilyn (06:22)
Okay.

Cady Moore (06:47)
when nobody else

in the community wanted to or could because they were ill themselves. And so when the LGBTQ rights movement really started, they said, fuck yeah, lesbians to the front, let's acknowledge you first. And as this person was sharing this, everyone in the circle was getting emotional, but I'm getting goosebumps right now. Everyone was getting emotional about it. And like three different people were like, well, fuck yeah, when I get off this show, I'm gonna identify as a lesbian now. Like, fuck that, I'm not gonna let.

Sharilyn (06:48)
Thank

Cady Moore (07:14)
dumb boys on the schoolyard who called me a lesbian because I didn't like boys,

like be the reason that I select the identity that I select. And it just was so beautiful. And it was the type of like that type of shit doesn't happen in straight reality TV shows. Like you just don't get that shit. You don't get it. You don't get it. ⁓ And so that is what's in my passenger seat is ⁓ I kissed a girl and I don't know what season I'm on. I think it's the most recent one because I just clicked whatever was on Hulu.

Sharilyn (07:30)
It doesn't, that kind of discourse. No.

I love that. Yeah.

Cady Moore (07:43)
started watching it I'm on episode two so we're new in it but ⁓ that's what's in my passenger seat

Sharilyn (07:43)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I fear the problem, the

problem with the reality TV series like that for me, if I were to be on it is like I would fall in love with any girl I kiss because every girl is like a princess slash kink, whichever one they want to be. And I will fall in love with you because that is, that is the gay way for me. Yeah. Yeah.

Cady Moore (07:57)
Yes. Yes.

That's, mean, it looks like that's kind of happening. It looks like that might be kind of the way this goes. I will say

I'm like, so when do we get a queer and non-monogamous dating show? I think there probably is one. Someone tell us. I don't know. I'm just a girl. ⁓ Just a girl. So Lindy, would you like to share with us what is in your passenger seat today?

Sharilyn (08:13)
Wait. Yes.

I'm just a girl.

Lindy (08:26)
Yeah, absolutely. First of all, have you watched a Couple to Throuple though? Because that there's a little bit queerness in there. But that's a non monogamous reality show.

Sharilyn (08:31)
⁓ yes,

and there is a poly content creator, Sanu, who was on it, I believe. And she's on Instagram and she does a lot of Poly content. And that's so cool. Okay, did you like that? Yeah?

Cady Moore (08:35)
haven't yet.

⁓ cool.

Lindy (08:41)
Mmm.

I mean, there's definitely some things

that are kind of cringy and you're like, that's not great. But I mean, it was still entertaining. And then there's other things where like, ooh, I feel that like that's very relatable and I don't like so yeah, a little bit.

Cady Moore (08:51)
Yeah. Okay.

Sharilyn (08:53)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Cady Moore (08:59)
how relatable this is. I feel attacked. Me every time I

Sharilyn (09:02)
Yeah, absolutely. Yes.

Cady Moore (09:05)
post a meme carousel on my Instagram I'm like all of these memes are directly attacking me. Like that's what that's what this is. Yep yep you all have to.

Sharilyn (09:11)
Yeah, if I had to feel this pain, do you. What's been in your

Lindy (09:14)
Right?

Sharilyn (09:16)
passenger seat lately? I know you've been just so busy. You're doing all the things.

Lindy (09:21)
Yeah, that's kind of always in my passenger seat. Believe it or not, my last month was actually a slower month, which is more or less true. But we were trying to plan this. I'm glad we got up on the show now because I'm about to kind of enter a really busy season next couple of months. yeah, have a lot of travel. I impulse decided to move into a different unit in my apartment. So now I have to pack up everything and move on top of all this. So it's going to be wild couple of months. I'm very excited.

Sharilyn (09:24)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah!

You were staying, yeah.

Yes.

Lindy (09:50)
feeling a little stressed, feeling a little anxiety, but also kind of ready for some new stuff too.

Cady Moore (09:57)
you currently like in between apartments? Like are you in both at the same time?

Lindy (10:03)
No, I don't have a very long time to flip. So I'm in my current space now and then in October I'll move into the new unit. So it'll be a quick flip, but now I have to pack everything. So.

Cady Moore (10:07)
Okay.

Okay.

Yep, dude.

Sharilyn (10:14)
Which I have

to say, like, and like not doxing you, you're in a really great area and like you're in a really cool area and your apartment building is so fucking cool. So I'm glad you get to like stay with it. Yeah, I had to say that. It's so cool. I love that.

Cady Moore (10:18)
You

Lindy (10:21)
It's so cool.

Yeah, and I'm hoping this new space

will give me more space for like rope. It's gonna be really pretty. It's kind of unique, so it'll be a good change. This is a lot leading up to it.

Cady Moore (10:37)
Yeah. Well, and are you neurospicy also?

Sharilyn (10:37)
Yes!

Lindy (10:41)
That's a good question. Honestly, probably yes, but I've never been formally diagnosed. But really, my partner a few weeks ago was like, I think you might have ADHD as I'm like talking about some stuff and some challenges. And I was like, you know, that would explain a lot in my life.

Cady Moore (10:45)
Okay.

Sharilyn (10:47)
Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

the f- Yes. You're so safe. And I think- the funny thing is, I think with a lot of people who I know who are very clearly neurodivergent or ADHD, they're like, yeah, I just haven't gotten a diagnosis yet. Like, I keep meaning to make an appointment. I'm like, yeah, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Cady Moore (10:59)
Well, this is a gayDHD podcast, so you are in a safe space regardless of diagnoses. You're so safe here.

Lindy (11:02)
Perfect.

Mm-hmm.

Yup.

Cady Moore (11:16)
Yeah! ⁓

Yeah, yeah, I asked

Lindy (11:20)
Yeah, that's how that works. my gosh, that.

Cady Moore (11:23)
because

I like I moved in May which like now it's three months and it's been a minute but like as a Neurospicy person that process was so exciting and amazing and fun and great and also so dysregulating it took me a full like this is the first month where I've been like, okay

Lindy (11:37)
Mm-hmm.

Cady Moore (11:41)
I feel normal. Like I feel as normal as I can feel. I feel like I can actually like think about what's next for me and look forward. Whereas it has been like full blown survival mode for like two months. Not to like, not to make you feel bad or scared. I'm excited for you. I'm just validating that. Yeah, I'm validating you or I'm trying to and instead I'm scary.

Lindy (11:45)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (11:48)
Okay.

Lindy (12:01)
No, I'm there

with you. I mean, I moved a lot. Like, I don't think it'd be horrible. I have wonderful friends who will show up for sure and have already offered to help. So it'll be fine. But I think the impulsiveness is maybe a key for the, you know, if I might have ADHD. I literally made this decision within like two hours. I was like, that unit's cool. I'm going to just move and pick up my life. That's fine. Didn't think it through. Didn't ask a lot of questions. Just went for it. So here we are.

Cady Moore (12:10)
Yeah.

Sharilyn (12:20)
Yeah!

No, in the middle of like a

Cady Moore (12:26)
Hell yeah.

Sharilyn (12:27)
busy season of life, let's just like add one more thing. Yeah. Yeah. If, if ADHD is anything, it's do it for the plot.

Cady Moore (12:30)
Let's just move. Fuck it. Let's go. So Sharilyn,

Lindy (12:31)
Let's just move.

Right? Exactly. See ya.

Cady Moore (12:38)
do it for the plot. So Sharilyn, you explain just like in 30 seconds or less your origin story with Lindy and kind of transition us into focusing on why Lindy is here today?

Sharilyn (12:39)
Yes. ⁓

Well, Lindy is here today because she's beautiful and smart and intelligent and successful and like so creative and cool ⁓ first of all ⁓ So Lindy didn't actually go back a few years now which is really fun to say and we actually met through my old polycule in Kansas City and You know how it ends up like someone dates someone and they're friends with someone or they date the same person but at a different time that you get introduced to the same circles

Cady Moore (13:03)
you

Sharilyn (13:20)
And like we have like truly I can say like some of the best little beings in KC. Like we have some of the greatest people and like you are absolutely among them. So I'm so excited that you're here and I'm so excited that you're with us. I, you're just like one of the best people. You are. That's just what I have to say about that. And it's kind of cool because I was introduced to Shibari through that polycule. And I started

Lindy (13:38)
Aww.

Sharilyn (13:48)
I've heard of it before and ⁓ then once I saw it, I was actually really into it and started playing around with it more, which was really cool in a very light way, obviously not as involved as you are. But yeah, we're discussing, as you guys can probably tell, Shibari today, which is really exciting.

Cady Moore (14:08)
So Sharilyn, you have this beautiful description of Shibari here that is clearly well researched. Can you please tell us what Shibari is? ⁓

Sharilyn (14:17)
Yes.

Yes, absolutely. And Lindy, like you gave me so many jumping points for my research this week that I've done. So like, thank you so much. And at the end, please add whatever I've missed. So for the folks who aren't familiar with Shibari or don't know what it is, ⁓ Shibari is a practice of using ropes to bind the body. And it's a practice that actually comes from Japan, but it's been really popular in Western culture.

We've seen it in music videos even recently by like FKA Twigs and The Weeknd. ⁓ Versace and Dior both featured some Shibari on their fall-winter 2022 runways. ⁓ And Shibari generally remains kind of the most adopted umbrella term, meaning to tie or to restrain. In Japan, they often use the term kimpaku or kimbaku, which means tight-binding.

⁓ So, originating from a method of rope bondage called hojujutsu, which was actually popular during the Sengoku period in Japan, so that's 1467 to about 1615, samurai actually originally used this kind of rope bondage for restraining captives and for torture, which is kind of crazy. Yes. Right.

Cady Moore (15:28)
metal as fuck. I mean like and not in like a good way per se but like I did

not know that that's right. So really quick, sorry tangent this is a GayDHD podcast. I know nothing about Shibari. I have been tied like two or three times and I really really fucking liked it and I'm interested in learning more ⁓ but like this stuff I don't know anything so my history nerdy ass self is like yeah bitch give me everything anyway yeah yeah

Sharilyn (15:51)
This is amazing. I love this.

Lindy (15:53)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (15:57)
So towards the end of the Sengoku period, so around the early 1600s, Shibari was then used more in erotic practices. So it was used as an erotic practice in the pleasure quarters of Edo period Japan. So this is about 1603 to 1868. So within these pleasure quarters or districts, Shibari was infused with erotic appeal.

but also in performance art like kabuki theater, ⁓ but also with pornography like ⁓ shunga, which is erotic woodblock prints that they used to distribute. So the practices we know today shifted in around the late 1800s when the Japanese artist Seiu Ito, ⁓ he actually featured Shibari scenes in his artwork, which is really crazy. After that, around post-World War II, Japan saw a

really huge rise in Shibari where it became synthesized into various like pop culture forms of entertainment, so magazines, live shows, and pornography. ⁓ So in Japan, Kimbaku actually remains practiced largely in underground rope bondage salons. So more of these erotic salons that you saw in the Edo period Japan are still thriving in underground places in Japan today. So when we get over to the Western style of Shibari,

They have kind of different styles and different ways of approaching them generally. So in Japan, they have ⁓ Ryu, which are schools or styles of rope with distinct ways of tying. There's philosophy behind it, intention with tens, even hundreds of different kinds of styles, which is really cool. In the West, however, much of our style today was influenced by the American artist, John Willie. He was an artist post-World War II. And he drew a series of cartoons called Sweet Gwendolyn.

And so she was actually seen to be tied up in different bondage styles along the theme of like damsel in distress. So you see like, you know, the, the typical, like someone tied up on a railway, that kind of stuff, like very cutesy and like pop culture. and then we kind of saw that shape, how that shaped the aesthetic and the photographic representations of Shibari we see in Western culture. So in Japan, it had this very deeply rooted history. a lot of it was maybe ceremonial or it.

⁓ tied deeply into their culture. And then the Western Shibari artists ⁓ were influenced by it, it took on more of that aesthetic appeal. ⁓ so ⁓ while rope culture or while rope bondage can be seen as an act or an exchange that can be sexually charged and it is practiced within BDSM communities, it can also provide an opportunity to deepen connections with a partner, engage in eroticism.

navigate power exchange dynamics, explore vulnerability within oneself, promote body positivity or neutrality, which I actually experienced this summer doing my first suspension, which we'll get into later. It can act as an artistic medium or a spiritual practice, meditation. It can provide a sensory experience that many folks who are neurodivergent or spicy really like. Again, I can attest to that. It was mind blowing. ⁓ So that kind of summarizes the history of Shibari.

where it is in the West. Lindy, do you have anything to add to that?

Lindy (19:17)
That was so detailed. Thank you. I loved it. I learned some things, so it was helpful. No, absolutely. I think that's a good overview, high level. I think something that's really important to know the history and where it came from. And it kind of always humbles me a little bit to be able to use rope and Shibari as a way of play and connection. Knowing what that history is, I think it gives a different respect to the art itself.

Sharilyn (19:19)
Thank you for so many great points. ⁓

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Absolutely!

Cady Moore (19:46)
So if you were to describe Shibari to someone who knew nothing about it, what would be your like brief elevator pitch? How would you explain that to someone?

Lindy (19:47)
I like it.

Yeah, absolutely. So I like to describe it as Rope is a tool. Kind like you were touching on there about how it could be used for so many different things. You know, I like to mention the Shibari and the history and you know, people have an association with it with kink and BDSM But I really like to share how it's a tool for so many different things. You know, using Rope and using that bondage for connection, for play, for art, for performance, for meditation.

Sharilyn (20:10)
Yeah, it's a medium.

Lindy (20:30)
eroticism, centralism, things like that. You know, I like to talk about how it is like an art, it is a bondage, but it's also, it's just a tool at the end of the day that you can use for so many things.

Sharilyn (20:42)
It's a tool.

Yeah, it's a different medium. ⁓ one of the really fun things I was looking at ⁓ when I was looking at modern representations of Shibari is there is a lot of Japanese artists who actually collaborate with Western artists, like photographers or models. ⁓ And one thing that ⁓ has become more prevalent is using them in ⁓ art installations. ⁓ There was one example of a bunch of women being tied in this giant Shibari net up against a building.

Lindy (20:46)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (21:13)
There

is one of a woman being suspended almost in the spider web looking Shibari high. So it's, beautiful and it's fascinating. And it's like you said, it's a tool that can be used either in BDSM or in artistry in meditation, it's spiritual can be ⁓ really healing in a lot of ways. And one thing that you had just touched on that I would love more of your thoughts on is like, what is the importance of acknowledging

Lindy (21:17)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (21:41)
privilege when it comes to talking about the Western practice of Shibari.

Lindy (21:47)
Yeah, absolutely. That's a good deep question. I'm sure everybody has a different opinion. You know, I generally kind of prefer to use the term rope for my stuff because the type of rope I personally do and like and teach is more Western style. It's very circus style. Now we absolutely use a lot of the same like terminology types of ties. ⁓ There's, you know, a lot of crossover still.

Sharilyn (22:02)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Cady Moore (22:10)
Can I actually,

So when you say Western style, like what does that mean?

Lindy (22:15)
Yeah, absolutely. So Japanese is very traditional, kind of like Sharilyn was touching on. You know, it's about the intention. It's very technical. It's very precise, I would describe it as. Whereas more of what I do, I look for a lot of like, how do I move? How do I spin? How is it very dynamic? I like to be, have a lot of freedom and movement in it. Where generally there's gonna be a lot more static ties in traditional Shibari bondage.

where one of my biggest inspiration, her name is Shae Tisiano. She has a huge Instagram following. She's been my like big inspiration a lot of this stuff, but you'll see a lot of stuff she does. It's, you know, like very creative performance, very dynamic. There's a lot of movements, a lot of flips, a lot of spins. And so that's more of what I personally have just kind of fell into, but there's still a lot of crossover in the technique and the names

Cady Moore (23:05)
Cool.

Sharilyn (23:10)
Yeah

one really interesting thing I found in my research was in looking up like Ryu, like the different schools or styles of Japanese Shibari specifically, like you said with the technicality of it, within one school, they will have one certain style of tying. And when, from what I, what I researched, I don't want say internship, but ⁓ teaching is very important. So like having a pupil that you actually teach the art of Shibari to is

Cady Moore (23:39)
like apprenticeship.

Sharilyn (23:41)
Apprenticeship exactly is very common. And when you are practicing a certain kind of Ryu or a certain kind of school of Shibari in Japan, it is very like you do the tie here and it lays exactly like this. And it is so precise. And the way we see it more in Western style is very aesthetic. It's very, this looks beautiful. This flows with the body versus something that seems a little more rigid and ritualistic.

Lindy (23:42)
Mm-hmm.

you

Sharilyn (24:08)
And there's obviously spaces for both, and both are beautiful and ever-changing and dynamic and all of that, ⁓ which I think is really cool. And I love your work. I mean, I don't need to say that. I talk about you all the time. I'm your biggest fan.

Lindy (24:19)
You're so sweet.

Cady Moore (24:23)
we

We will post your work with your consent and permission. Like we will share some of Lindy's work on our Instagram for this episode so that y'all can see what we're talking about. ⁓ I got like a little lost in a rabbit hole looking at sweet Gwendolyn.

Sharilyn (24:32)
It's stunning.

Lindy (24:33)
Yeah,

yeah, I send some photos.

Cady Moore (24:41)
pictures for a brief second. was like, now I need to know this. So there will also be pictures of those.

Sharilyn (24:41)
Yes. Yes.

Lindy (24:42)
Hahaha!

Sharilyn (24:47)
Yes!

terminology question.

Cady Moore (24:49)
Okay,

you explain, so we've got like a couple of rope shibari definitions here. Well, we have words that we would love for you to offer some definitions on. These will be things that people will hear in the context of rope. So we have rope top versus rope bottom. What, can you tell us the definitions for those?

Lindy (25:12)
Yes, so rope top is the person who is tying rope bottom is the person being tied. So pretty straightforward. Yeah, you also hear rigor for rope top rope bunny for bottom. But those are pretty common.

Sharilyn (25:21)
and bottom. Yeah.

Cady Moore (25:22)
And what?

is there

a difference is there a difference between like someone being a rigger versus identifying as a rope top or like someone being a bunny versus the bottom like is there a difference between those two things?

Lindy (25:41)
pretty interchangeable, you know, it be personal preference, you know, rigger maybe sounds a little more professional. I don't know. It's just preference. Like I like bunny because I love animals. So real bunny's cute. And that's part of where my name hops. My scene name came from was like bunny hop, hops. So yeah.

Sharilyn (25:42)
Mm hmm.

Cady Moore (25:53)
Yeah.

Sharilyn (25:56)
Yeah. That's so cute. Oh my God. I actually didn't know that. That lore

Cady Moore (25:57)
Okay, that's cute. That makes so much sense.

Sharilyn (26:01)
is so good. You guys heard it here first, just saying. I love it.

Cady Moore (26:07)
And when

Lindy (26:07)
Bye.

Cady Moore (26:09)
we talk about suspension, what does that mean? And can you tell us more about suspension, what that looks like? Give us a little bit of an overview of that.

Lindy (26:11)
Mm-hmm.

Yes, this is my favorite thing. So suspension is generally considered somebody is off the ground

and held by rope. So they're supported by rope. ⁓ You're literally suspended above the ground. You have partial suspensions. People have different definitions of what that is, but essentially you have like maybe one body part or part of your body on the ground, part of it pulled up into the air. A full suspension would be considered everything's off the ground.

Sharilyn (26:34)
Suspended literally. Yeah.

Lindy (26:54)
⁓ And so that's, and you're being fully supported by the ropes and it's very technical. There's definitely a skill that you have to have with it because it's can be risky, a lot of fun, but also very risky and a little more high skill aspects of rope.

Sharilyn (26:58)
Yes.

Yeah.

Absolutely. As I mentioned earlier, I had my first suspension this summer and I was really nervous. And we can get more into like some of the body stuff that comes up for a lot of people in rope after. for me, that was something really big that I'm a bigger woman and although I'm only five, three, like I'm heavier. And our dear sweet friend, ⁓ Dr. McCann, who was actually on our pod last season.

talking about infectious diseases also ⁓ is a rope artist as well. And she actually did my first suspension. And I had kind of come to her and I had said, I'm like a little nervous. Like, you know, I saw a lot of the other ⁓ women at this workshop who were being suspended and they were like itty bitty and I was like hanging out. And she's like, baby, these ropes can hold like a Toyota. You're fine. And I was like, okay. And I started with the partial suspension.

Lindy (28:02)
You

Sharilyn (28:06)
Cause I've done rope statically many times. I've never done a suspension. So we started off with this partial suspension. She's like, how is this? like, this is actually good. She's like, let's go all the way up. And I was like, okay. And when I did, when I was fully suspended and I'll put a picture on the carousel for this too, when this comes out, but ⁓ I had the most like euphoric body experience I think I've ever had before.

It is like the feeling I get with like a weighted blanket or like a really like downy comforter where you feel that comfort. And I don't know, I really want to research more about what exactly it does to the brain, but I almost felt high. Like I felt euphoric and I felt comfortable. I was like, I could be up here all day. Like this is so nice. And like I felt really comfortable. She did a great job of supporting me. And

Cady Moore (28:39)
Mm.

Sharilyn (29:02)
I'm so glad I got past that like body shame and that fear of my own body within these spaces. As we talked about, you know, in, in Western culture, it's often very popularized and very aesthetic. get models who are beautiful, who are showcasing this, but not necessarily, you don't see a lot of diversity outside of rope events. and so suspension was so fun and so cool. And. Lindy, you some of the most amazing suspensions we'll get into on top of the different kinds of terms with rope.

There's also different kinds of rope that you use in Shibari.

Cady Moore (29:33)
Yeah, I was just

gonna ask, I was gonna ask Sharilyn, what type of rope was used for your suspension? Because like me, as an autistic baby, I immediately think of like the, and I won't explain, but I think of like certain materials. I'm like, I could not, like I picture like, you know, the rope they use on ships. I'm like, no, hard fucking pass. What rope? Like was the rope that they used to suspend, was it?

Was it soft? Tell us about rope types. Sorry, I totally interjected because I was, whole time I was picturing you being suspended and I was like, but the skin, whoo, ⁓

Sharilyn (30:00)
Yes. No. You're like, no, I was also thinking.

Lindy (30:01)
Hahaha!

Sharilyn (30:07)
Yes, no, absolutely. So like what

are the different kinds of ropes that riggers or bottoms will choose because they have different qualities? And what are some of more common ones that you prefer, Lindy?

Lindy (30:18)
Yeah, that's a great question. There's a lot of options. So there's more natural fibers, generally jute or hemp. Hemp generally has kind of a smell to it. Jute is going to be the most common one you see and you're going see it a lot in Japanese bondage. But jute is a grass base. So some people have issues with it being scratchy, itchy, allergies. It really depends, but it's really works really nicely. It has a good grip, very pretty.

Then hemp, I don't see used as much, but some people love it. And then you have.

Cady Moore (30:51)
Is hemp

as scratchy as jute or not so much? Okay.

Lindy (30:55)
No, it's softer, but it's smelly.

there's a smell to it. Kind of smells like goats, honestly, in my opinion. So, you know, if you like goats, then you're set. Yeah, great. You might love it then. But it's a little stronger. It's, you know, a little more sturdy. Can be a little harder on it. Jute you like you can't wash it really, or you can maybe wash it once and that's it. ⁓ It's a grass, so it's going to disintegrate over time.

Cady Moore (31:02)
Okay. But like, I love goats. Goats are great.

Sharilyn (31:02)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Lindy (31:22)
And then you have synthetic ropes. My personal favorite is called MFP. I can get it on a rope supply store. It's really cheap. You can just get like a big bunch of it and cut it myself. It's synthetic. It's softer, but it still has a little bit of grip. So it still holds knots and ties well. Nylon nylon is similar, but a little softer and squishier and slicker. So it can be a little harder to work with because it doesn't hold tension and knots as well. Or you have to just really know what you're doing.

Sharilyn (31:47)
Hmm.

Cady Moore (31:50)
So would you do suspensions

with nylon? Like can you do suspensions with nylon or is it like an advanced skill kind of situation?

Lindy (31:54)
Woohoo!

It's just different. So that's what you start with and learn with. It's not inherently bad, but it will probably be harder than other types of rope because you have to either do things a little differently. You have to make sure your tension is really good. You might have to adjust some things. So if you can let I actually said somebody this is somebody tonight. I was like, if you can learn how to tie with nylon you can try it with anything else. So, um.

Sharilyn (32:07)
Mm-hmm

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

It seems like it's like a good universal starter material to use for beginners.

Lindy (32:27)
And it's nice and soft. It's not as good for learning suspension stuff, but it's good. If you can wash it, you can wash the MFP And another really common one is Posh, which looks natural. It kind of looks like jute, but it's more, there's more friction to it. So you're going to feel a little rough around the skin. But some people are able to kind of soften theirs and it feels pretty good.

Sharilyn (32:31)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, and so when we're talking about the different types, like obviously you said there's some that are better for suspensions versus others. There's some that have like a different texture than others. When we're talking about Shibari being used in BDSM or in kink, ⁓ certain ropes are going to give you different effects on the skins. So one thing I've heard is like some people really like having rope kisses, which are when you have like a rougher rope.

Lindy (33:05)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (33:17)
that when you're suspended or when you're tied, they like leave marks in your skin. It's ⁓ spicier. It's a spicy rope. Like, that's going to be a spicy place that's going to sting a little bit. And for some people who are approaching Shibari from ⁓ a kink standpoint, they can really like that. So someone who might want nylon, they might be wanting more creative or ⁓ artistic mediums where it's a little softer and more flexible. Is that what I'm kind of gathering?

Lindy (33:24)
Mm-hmm.

Cady Moore (33:27)
Spicy Rope!

Lindy (33:27)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it really depends on what your goal is, what you want to feel, what your pain tolerance is. If you want something really soft and cuddly, there's like bamboo and cotton rope. That could be like really nice for like a cuddly thing. Yeah. It's so soft. Yeah. And bamboo cotton aren't good for suspension, but they're great to like wear for something soft on the ground, for some floor work, for connection.

Cady Moore (33:55)
That's what I like. My little face perked up and I went, ooh, those are the ones I like.

Sharilyn (33:55)
Yes. Yeah.

I do like

bamboo a lot too, yeah. I like bamboo and jute a lot. Yes, absolutely.

Lindy (34:15)
They're really nice. Not good for suspension. Don't use it for that, but it's not strong enough. But. Right, can not hold Toyota.

Sharilyn (34:18)
Yeah. But that's really good to know. Yeah. No,

Cady Moore (34:18)
They definitely can't hold a Toyota.

Sharilyn (34:25)
and I think that's really interesting that like in a medium that is so versatile and ⁓ has been adapted for so many different things either for NeuroSpicy folks who really like just like maybe just a static Shibari tie because it feels like a hug or someone who really wants to be suspended. Like there's different paint brushes you can get with different fibers. Like you can essentially paint with different colors in your coloring box.

depending on what you're wanting to get out of it

Lindy (34:49)
Exactly, and literally, like there's so many different colors of all of these and you know, if you want something performative, you want something pretty and bright and...

Sharilyn (34:53)
Yeah, so there's a lot of collaboration. Yeah, yes, absolutely.

Okay, so it's a lot of collaboration.

Cady Moore (35:00)
So

when we talk about rope as an art, what drew you to rope art and had you had exposure to it before you became a rope artist yourself?

Lindy (35:12)
Yeah, that's a great question. So I randomly fell into it and I'm so grateful I did. There is somebody I was seeing, this is now over seven years ago, which is crazy, but there's somebody I was seeing, he was trying to show off, took me to the local rope night and you know, it definitely was just trying to look cool. And then like I got there. ⁓

Sharilyn (35:31)
What was your first experience like? Like you go into

your first rope night, you're like, what is this?

Lindy (35:37)
Oh yeah, for sure. It was in our old space. So it was at the old BDSM dungeon, which was like this really cool old vintage building.

But yeah, it was this beautiful building and then like the rope nights are very casual, honestly. And what's funny is I met one of my still good friends that night and he was teaching and just showing some stuff and I was obsessed like immediately. I was like, this is so fun. It's so cool. I felt like kind of scandalous because it was kind of underground. Like, you know, you kind of had to know somebody or know how to find it. It's not just on Google.

Sharilyn (36:03)
Yeah! ⁓

Yeah.

Lindy (36:09)
Um, and so was kind of this, you know, kind of cool underground world. And I just immediately fell into it and started going consistently, met people, eventually met riggers. And, um, I originally had started as a rope bottom, you know, just kind of naturally, you know, like kind of fall into that gender role, but it was fine. It was, I enjoyed it a lot. Um, and met some great people. And then I kind of started like a little bit of what we call self tying. So you're putting the rope on yourself.

Sharilyn (36:27)
Mm-hmm.

Lindy (36:38)
instead of somebody else doing it. And I did a little bit of that. And then once my ex partner and rigger had split up a few years ago, I was kind of like, well, now what do I do? And that's what really triggered my personal like art journey. And we created a lot together and that was fun. But, you know, once I kind of was on my own in that regard, I really got into the self tying and then self suspension and really just leaned into it. And that's kind of when they started.

Sharilyn (36:51)
Yeah.

Lindy (37:07)
the rope group that I run and it just kind of all fell into place there. So it's been a journey for sure, but I think I've had an appreciation that from the beginning and through all the people I've been able to work with over the years.

Sharilyn (37:12)
Yeah.

Absolutely. I love, okay,

I really love that answer. And I also think like, I think it's really interesting when you come into exposure to Shibari with like a partner, because there's that inherent trust already built in, right? Like this person knows your needs. If they're well versed in it, you have confidence that they'll lead you into it. But when you're working with someone who isn't a real partner, or for you when you're teaching or you're collaborating with anyone,

Lindy (37:30)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (37:44)
⁓ How important is that collaboration and does that change depending on if you're doing ties, you know, privately like in your house versus at an event or rope event or at a dungeon? Does that change at all that collaboration?

Lindy (37:44)
Mm-hmm.

Mm hmm.

Oh, absolutely. And that's kind of where it's like, it's a tool, it can do so many different things and create so many feelings. Like when I tie with, I have two partners. So when I tie with my boyfriend, he's my rigger. You know, that's a different dynamic. You know, he has more of that control of the scene and, you know, we collaborate, still talk and, you know, I get feedback and all this. But, know, he's the one doing the ties.

And then I top for my girlfriend more so. And so then I'm, you know, doing more of that topping and a little more of that control in the scene. And so even those two relationships are different. If it's a friend, it's a little different. Usually, you know, we're just chatting away and maybe you're experimenting. And I do this with my partners too. And then if it's more of a class setting, you know, I'm really trying to be more of a teacher mode and.

Sharilyn (38:33)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah!

Lindy (38:50)
You know, also making sure people feel safe and encouraged and, you know, or making sure I'm asking for consent before touching anything. I try to be really diligent about that. You know, whereas somebody I'm comfortable with, like I can touch them. have that pre-negotiated ongoing consent and you know, it's a little more, maybe a little more comfortable as far as like physical interaction goes, but it just depends. Yeah.

Sharilyn (38:58)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely. So it's a little more loose.

Cady Moore (39:13)
Can

you say more about safety and things to consider? If you were to just show up to a rope event, how do you figure out who to connect with to tie you?

like pointing hand in the air pointing to myself like how would I go about making sure that someone is the right fit for me if I want to just try out Shibari

Lindy (39:34)
You

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's such a good question. I actually have a whole course on this about like vetting, negotiation, beginner skills. I know I don't have it online. I do it in person, but I need to come up with an online one. I know, but I have like a little flyer I can share for sure that has just some resources. I've done this at cons and in person, but there's a lot to look for. you're looking for a partner.

Cady Moore (39:50)
⁓ hell yeah. Give us that link for the show notes.

Cool. Yeah, please do.

Lindy (40:12)
Kind of just some of the same skills you use for like first dates and dating. You want to do the same thing. So you meet them in public. You go for a coffee or a walk. You chat first. Like make sure you actually vibe. Ask for references like always ask for references and people's previous experience. Some people ask the person be like, hey, would you send me some references or you can just seek them out yourself? Be like, I saw they tied this person. I'm just gonna shoot him a message, but.

Sharilyn (40:29)
Mmm.

Lindy (40:41)
References are really important because you'll learn a lot like if people have good experiences or not. And you might get a mixed answer and that can be sometimes hard, but that's a really big one. What's the reputation in the community? Have they been banned from any spaces? Have they, you know, do they have kind of what we call like smoke? Like, do they have kind of a bad reputation? And that may or not may or not be anything. And that's a hard part. But

Sharilyn (40:46)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

Lindy (41:08)
You know, if somebody, if you talk to five people and they're like, yeah, that person's awesome. Like you're probably going to be generally safer. Yeah. So those are some big ones, but just using the same skills as you do for first dates. Like there's a lot of overlap.

Sharilyn (41:15)
You're going to be OK. Yes, no, absolutely. Yeah.

Cady Moore (41:22)
Yeah, totally.

Can you please tell us about SOAR, Sisterhood of Artistic Rope, what inspired it? What are kind of the guiding, ⁓

principles of it. Tell us about this because I have a feeling that a lot of us are going to hear about it and go wow, I want that

Lindy (41:39)
Yes, I'm so excited. So this started, I went to a femme rope thing at our local dungeon a few years ago and it was fine. Like I think it was very well intentioned, but it just didn't quite land. Like it didn't feel very empowered after it. And you're generally like, if you're in an all femme identifying space, you want to feel empowered, right? Building each other up. Like that's kind what people are seeking a lot of time.

It just didn't feel very empowering. And so I had a conversation with my friend who still is in our community and wonderful. We had a conversation. like, yeah, just, you know, there could be more. There could be more here. And that's kind of what started it. And then I started hosting just like girls night, rope night with my friend group. I did that, you know, for a while. And that's kind of where I learned we kind of co-shared information and skillshared and

⁓ We just had a lot of fun and that's what really helped me kind of get started in my own journey of self-tying and suspending. And then I remember, it was about six months after that, ⁓ and after I'd moved out and been in my own space, one of my friends went to a goth night. And sometimes at the goth nights, there would be riggers tying people, doing shibari at the bar.

you know, she was like, it's all men here, we need more femme riggers like there's no femme riggers. And that's historically kind of how it's been, you know, generally, men are the riggers, femme people are gonna be more the bottoms. You know, and so that was there's a little bit of that gender role there. And so she texted me, she's like, there's just too many men, we need more women, you know, we need more femme people. And I was like, you're right, we do. And so that's kind of what really kick started it been kind of festering for a bit. That's what like,

Sharilyn (43:06)
Yeah.

Lindy (43:24)
that message had really kind of pushed me. Right? Yeah.

Cady Moore (43:25)
As all good things do, right? They fester.

Sharilyn (43:28)
Yeah, when

it like sits. Yeah. Well, I think that's one thing that you said that I think that is really important, especially when it comes to ⁓ any kind of counterculture community is that like generally.

a lot of exposure to these communities happen in smaller groups, smaller organizations. And one really key thing you shared was that you guys would get together and you guys would skill-share. And obviously you got to a level where you now felt ⁓ able to bring this to the public. And from what I gather, you saw that in the community, there was a need for women-centered spaces, spaces for queers, spaces for femmes, ⁓ spaces, like you said, that generally

Cady Moore (43:45)
Mm-hmm.

Lindy (43:51)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (44:10)
⁓ need to feel more empowered. ⁓ And so with the Sisterhood of Artistic Rope, what are some ways that you've created a safe and inclusive and inspiring space for participants? Like what are you infusing into this that has made it such a hit?

Lindy (44:23)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so my big goals was one game where femme people, you know, in the same present and regaining self suspending. And I say femme is like an umbrella term that can, you know, includes trans women and know, femme identifying folks, AFAB people like I use that as an umbrella. And so

you know, that was part of the inclusion, you know, making sure like what is femme, how do I be as inclusive as possible without, you know, but still staying true to the feminine space. And so that's been a challenge, but I think feel pretty good where we're at now, kind of maintain that diversity. It was really important to me for safety, because I do hear a lot of stories of people having really bad rope experiences or they ended up with somebody who hurt them and.

Sharilyn (44:56)
compromising the integrity of the purpose. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Lindy (45:14)
I hate that so much. So I was like, need a space where people feel safe. And a lot of people don't feel safe

cis men, especially in those more erotic spaces. And so we needed a space away from that. So that was a big motivator. Really just I also want people to have their own skill sets. And that's what's really important to me and their own base knowledge. So when they go off into the world, when they approach a new partner, they can be like, no, that's not good, or that's not safe or

I don't trust this or, you know I know my own body really well because I've been self suspending for two years and I can tell you exactly what I need. So it really, the empowerment is the biggest, you know, thing for me personally is I want people to feel skilled and confident and that they have a community of people that can use to vet to get information from. And that's been really nice.

Sharilyn (45:51)
Now.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah,

lot of the femme queerdos get somewhere safe to like gather, which we love.

Cady Moore (46:09)
Yes.

Lindy (46:11)
Mm-hmm.

Cady Moore (46:11)
Yep, dude. I mean, as someone who like I mean, Sacramento is a large metro area and like the scene here I'm sure I'm sure there's great pockets of it and like we we have a mutual friend to who lives out here and is wonderful and kinky and into rope and like

it's it's really hard to find. So I absolutely love that you're creating this space for your community. Have you? ⁓ I mean, not have you? I'm sure there are stories of personal transformations, success stories, like what are some? Can you give us some goosebumps? I I emote so like the bar is really low. ⁓ But can you can you like share some some sweet, tender, empowering stories from SOAR experiences?

Lindy (47:02)
Oh yeah. Um, honestly, one of my favorite things and what keeps me like motivated is I really just love watching the growth of a lot of people. I mean, I've watched these people who were more shy or, you know,

Sharilyn (47:16)
.

Lindy (47:17)
you know, just were interested, but didn't have like, you know, a lot of background in it, going from that space to becoming really confident self suspenders, confident riggers. Um, I have more than one person I've seen kind of really grow in the last couple of years.

Sharilyn (47:18)
Yeah.

Lindy (47:32)
And it's just so fun to me to like think back of where we kind of started and where I started. And now they're like so talented and skilled. And we've had some of them, we've been doing performance shows. We've had three now

and some of them are performing now in front of a lot of people. So I think it's just so beautiful to like watch the growth and the people who start from the beginning.

Sharilyn (47:46)
Yes. Yeah.

from when they start.

Lindy (47:59)
to being able to do their own thing and being confident about it. Yes.

Cady Moore (47:59)
Yeah, they become beautiful butterflies. ⁓

Sharilyn (48:01)
Yes. Yes. Okay.

And on that note, so you guys, obviously, you guys are now expanding into doing Shibari and performance art. Can you talk to us more about what kind of things the Sisterhood of Artistic Robe offers you? Obviously you talked about doing teaching as well. What, how expansive is what you're doing and what is to come?

Cady Moore (48:05)
love it.

Lindy (48:13)
Mm-hmm. ⁓

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely. So I have my monthly class right now that I have ⁓ been teaching at a con in Kansas, so I've taught twice now and I'll be teaching again here next month, which will be really fun. So that's been fun and then.

We started doing these performance art shows. I was talking to somebody I've known for a while and I was doing these little performances with this other group that did kind of these unique little kink shows that are a lot of fun. And that's kind of where I started to build my skills in the performance realm. And she was there and we were just chatting after, you late one night and she's like, you know, I don't really see any like all-femme cast rope performance groups, you know, it's

maybe mixed gender again, generally see men as the riggers But you don't really see a lot of like femme queer led spaces for rope performance. And we're like, well, we should just do that. And so we did.

Sharilyn (49:19)
Yeah.

Let's just fucking do it. You literally

pulled an Elle Woods you're like, "What? Like it's hard?" I love that. Yes. And you're like, let's do it. And you're doing it. So you're doing teaching, you're doing the performances. What can people expect when they come to one of your guys's performances? Cause I know people like imagine Shibari in its static form. Maybe they haven't seen it necessarily in a moving art piece. what, what, when they come to a show, what can they expect?

Lindy (49:28)
Yep, I'm very much that way. I'm like, all right, well, let's just do that then. So. Mm hmm.

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Cady Moore (49:51)
Mm-hmm.

Lindy (49:53)
Mm-hmm.

Cady Moore (49:54)
Great

question, great question. Because this whole time I'm like, what does that look like? Tell us.

Sharilyn (49:58)
Tell us. Obviously

Lindy (49:59)
Yeah.

Sharilyn (50:00)
you're there beautiful with your mermaid hair. That's enough reason for y'all to go. Yeah.

Lindy (50:04)
You know, I'm gonna show it off a little. No, so I have two co-producers. So same person I mentioned, and then we have one I person who hopped on and has helped us a lot. We showcase art. And again, this is gonna be more of the Western circus style. So it's very dynamic, very fast, very, there's a lot of movement. And so,

We've had, there's three of us who primarily do the self suspension acts and then we mix in other acts. So it's kind of like a burlesque show. So there'll be a little bit of burlesque. You everybody does a performance for like one to three songs and then it flips and we do onto the next thing. We've had, we had a comedian at our last show. My co-producer does a lot of circus stuff. So that's a lot of fun. She.

Sharilyn (50:54)
That's

Lindy (50:54)
swallowed a real sword at our last show.

Sharilyn (50:55)
so cool. Amazing.

Lindy (50:58)
yeah. So it's just kind of a mix of stuff, but it's all femme or femme identifying non-binary folks who are in the cast. And then we have like a few, like some art installations. We have a tarot reader. We do this at this local distillery so people can get a nice cocktail.

Sharilyn (51:17)
Yes!

Lindy (51:18)
And it's, ⁓ you know, try to make it classy. We've had amazing turnout, all three shows, you know, a lot of fun, a good mix of like emotional, but playful and wow. And so I've been really, really happy with how they've gone. It's been shocking. I've never had any background in any of this. So to do it, no, none of it.

Sharilyn (51:32)
Yeah. Yeah.

gonna ask if you had a background in performative art or dance or anything. Amazing!

my gosh, no, but that's so endearing to me because I feel like a lot of people see shibari as this like very technical thing and they're like well if I'm gonna combine this I have to be a dancer or whatever but that is amazing. I love that.

Cady Moore (51:51)
Mm-hmm.

Lindy (51:54)
Right.

So it's been a lot of fun. Just like it's a lot of community members who come out to new folks who are curious people from the burlesque world or the circus world. But the energy is always just so fun and just like it feels surreal every time I'm like we did that. It's real actually happened. Yeah.

Sharilyn (52:09)
I love that.

Yeah. my gosh. Yeah.

Cady Moore (52:13)
like i can't believe this is my life like whoa this

is great and here's the thing that's how you know you've made it when you look and you're just like wow this is my life this is great like what is happening right now yeah so good so what advice do you have for folks especially femmes women queer folks who are wanting to explore rope art for the first time

Sharilyn (52:20)
Yeah.

I literally did that. Yeah.

Lindy (52:38)
I think doing if you can find a scene close to you, I definitely recommend it. It's great to learn from people in person. If there's not anything close to you, there's a ton of online resources and I can send some of these to you, Cady. yeah. Perfect. Yeah, there's a ton of websites like the Dutchie is one. Shibari studies, an app. It is paid, but it's really good.

Sharilyn (52:53)
Please do, yeah.

Cady Moore (52:54)
Yeah, please. We'll put them in the show notes. Yeah.

Lindy (53:04)
even if you just do it for like a year, it'd be worth it. There's like Ropes 365. There's a ton of stuff on YouTube, generally more decorative stuff on YouTube. But there's a lot of stuff. Finding friends. People use FetLife is the big one. If you're not familiar with what FetLife is, it's like kinky Facebook. But there's a lot of events on there. You can find events especially in groups. There's a lot of resource groups on there as well.

Cady Moore (53:07)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (53:22)
Yeah.

Yeah, it really. Yeah.

Lindy (53:34)
So, and Instagram's a huge resource too. I've connected with a lot of people through Instagram and there's amazing accounts out there.

Sharilyn (53:34)
Absolutely.

I love that.

Yeah, well, cause I, go ahead.

Cady Moore (53:43)
was a sorry, as

that is a perfect segue. Can you before we take a break and head into Sillies, Can you tell us where people can find you on Instagram where they can find your organization SOAR like where plug yourself please?

Lindy (53:54)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (54:01)
Yes.

⁓

Lindy (54:02)
Yes, so for my

group, it's SOAR is the abbreviation ⁓ on Instagram. It's sisterhood of artistic rope and there's a period in between each word on Facebook. It's SOAR KC. That's SOAR space KC Facebook. I don't use as much Instagram is going to be better. My personal Instagram is @hopsandropes. Now it is private so feel free to be like I heard you on the podcast and

You know, I can nudge you that way. So I don't want my work people finding out, but yeah.

Sharilyn (54:33)
Yeah. Yes.

Cady Moore (54:36)
Help. Fair. So fair. You're like, I must protect

my my privacy, please. I have a reputation to uphold.

Lindy (54:41)
Yes.

Sharilyn (54:41)
Yes.

Lindy (54:45)
Exactly. I'm living the Hannah Montana life. feel like a little bit like this one person at work and then living this whole other life outside of it.

Sharilyn (54:46)
Absolutely.

Cady Moore (54:48)
Yeah, baby.

Sharilyn (54:50)
And so, and yeah, you switch the wig and then

Cady Moore (54:54)
Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (54:55)
you're doing burlesque and a bob.

Cady Moore (54:55)
It was a wig this whole time? I should have known. I should have known.

Lindy (54:58)
Right?

Sharilyn (55:00)
So

Amazing. Okay, thank you for answering all those questions. We're gonna take a little break and then we're gonna get into some sillies.

Cady Moore (55:16)
Welcome back everybody. So we are here with Lindy. She is the foundress. Actually, I didn't even ask your pronouns. What pronouns do you use Lindy?

Lindy (55:28)
She/her is great.

Cady Moore (55:30)
Great, is foundress okay? Is that comfy for you? Amazing, foundress of, that was our bad. We are, we're getting back into the swing of it y'all. First guest episode of the season. We already forgot to ask about pronouns. Please be patient with us. Beside the point, we have Lindy, AKA Hopps here. She is the foundress of Sisterhood of Artistic Rope, AKA SOAR. And we,

Lindy (55:32)
I'm here for it. Yeah.

Sharilyn (55:34)
That's hot. It sounds like Empress.

I'm

You

Cady Moore (55:54)
we're able to gather some very important information about her before this episode's recording, including that there is a story about you having a night out with Big Time Rush. Please tell us when and how and where and why that happened. Yes. We all want a boy band moment. Please tell us how you had yours.

Sharilyn (56:00)
Yes.

The band.

This is a main character moment and I'm living vicariously through you with this.

Lindy (56:11)
you

my gosh, so I went to, there's this lovely rooftop bar, Kansas City. I was there with my friend and it's pretty popular and they these big, Percheron.

Sharilyn (56:29)
Which bar?

Cady Moore (56:33)
Wait, sorry, I laughed over the answer. What was the answer?

Lindy (56:35)
Percheron,

like the horse.

Cady Moore (56:38)
⁓ cute, yeah.

Lindy (56:39)
It's so

pretty. You have a beautiful view. I love it. So I've read it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But, know, so we'll hire a little bougie. It's on the top of a hotel that and we're hanging out there. And then my friend, we had a lot of room in our bit table is a big picnic table. I see this group looking around and my friends like, hey, you just sit with us. That's fine. And so they do. And I don't actually know what they look like. Like, I know of them, but I'm not like.

Cady Moore (56:43)
It's giving pegasus.

Lindy (57:08)
you know, huge fan following every moment three years ago, not that long ago. Yeah. And so

Cady Moore (57:10)
Cause what year was this?

Okay, I don't remember

what I also missed the Big Time Rush. So I'm now I'm curious. I'll put an aside here about Big Time Rush There will be a Big Time Rush aside

Sharilyn (57:22)
Yeah.

Cady Moore (57:25)
So Big Time Rush started in 2009 as a Nickelodeon TV show about four hockey players who get recruited to form a boy band. The show was meant to poke fun at boy band tropes, but the music took off outside of the series. They released three studio albums between 2010 and 2013. They toured internationally and built a fan base that extended well beyond their TV audience. After hiatus, the band reunited in 2021.

launched new music, went back on tour, and showed that what had started as a silly scripted project had grown into a legitimate, lasting pop act.

Cady Moore (58:01)
continue. Sorry.

Lindy (58:03)
All good. So we're like sitting there and they join us and you know, we're chatting and they're like, yeah, we're here performing at T-Mobile Center tomorrow. We're like, what? And they're like, yeah, we're Big Time Rush. We're like, what? Just casually sitting at

our table.

Cady Moore (58:19)
Just

casual, just so casual. What was it like?

Sharilyn (58:22)
That's amazing.

Lindy (58:23)
they're so nice. So you start chatting and like, think it helped that we weren't like, you know, crazy fanning over them because we just had like real conversations and you know, we'll get to know you and ask you questions. And, you know, then people started recognizing them and you know, wanted photos and like all this stuff. And you know, kept getting pulled different ways. But then, ⁓ you know, that was super fun. I had but then I ended up hanging out with their videographer.

Sharilyn (58:44)
Yeah.

Lindy (58:51)
and then think one of their musicians, like we drove around, went to a couple of different places and then they invited me onto their tour bus. I got to see their tour bus. That's serious.

Sharilyn (58:57)
It's so cool.

Cady Moore (59:01)
Wait, what does a tour bus look

like? What does a tour bus look like? What does it look like inside there?

Lindy (59:05)
It

was like a giant RV, but they're like stacked like their beds are all stacked on each side. And then they had like a little social room in the back with like a little cooler. like, uh, they had, well, they had like two or three for everybody. I think there was like, yeah, two or three buses, but they're all on there. Yeah.

Cady Moore (59:15)
So they don't get their own buses?

Sharilyn (59:23)
Amazing.

Cady Moore (59:24)
So these

are grown ass men sleeping in bunk beds.

Lindy (59:27)
Yeah. So it was crazy. And they get hotels like they were staying at a hotel. But like when they're in transit, they had the beds. Yeah, but they do get hotels when they're actually Yeah.

Cady Moore (59:29)
Nice.

Sharilyn (59:31)
for life.

Mm-hmm.

Cady Moore (59:37)
that makes sense. Okay, okay. So they're bunk beds for napping. They're nap beds.

Sharilyn (59:38)
Yeah.

Cady Moore (59:42)
They're bunk nap zones.

Sharilyn (59:46)
I'm so, I love this story because like, I don't know if y'all are into fan fiction, but this is literally like verbatim, the plot of any like YN, like your name, One Direction like sees you in a crowd and they're hiding from their fans and you don't know who they are, but your friends love them and they're freaking out. And then you got, have a whimsical night on the town. You see the tour.

Lindy (59:46)
which would be lovely.

Mm-hmm.

Sharilyn (1:00:11)
Like I love that you were literally like the hot cool girl who like pulls up and they're like, you're like, Hey, what's up? You're like, hi, like, are you? We're Big Time Rush And you're like, ⁓ cool. You like go on, like you go across the city with their videographer, you end up on their tour bus. And then you're like, yeah, that was cool. Like that is so like, you are a main character, which like I love, which speaking of main character, not only did you see them in KC, ⁓

Lindy (1:00:17)
haha

Cady Moore (1:00:21)
Okay.

Lindy (1:00:31)
haha

Sharilyn (1:00:37)
But you were also like very well traveled. And I know this because I keep up on all your socials. Okay. I'm making my crush a little too obvious right now. Sorry. You're really well traveled. It's fine. You visited 12 countries. You've been to four continents, which is crazy. What is the place that you've been to that you would go back to in a heartbeat that you like can't stop thinking about? You're like, if I could, I would go back there.

Lindy (1:00:44)
Thanks.

Cady Moore (1:00:46)
It's fine, it's fine.

Lindy (1:01:03)
Mm-hmm. ⁓ there's a lot of them. There's a lot of cool places in the world. But honestly, probably like first one comes to mind is Tanzania.

Cuz it was just the wildlife was insane. So much. Yeah. It's so good. yeah. So we went during the wildebeest migration, which is insane. I know.

Sharilyn (1:01:15)
Whoa, and we know you love wildlife.

Cady Moore (1:01:17)
That is so high on my list.

UGHHHH The great migration is one of my bucket list experiences!

Lindy (1:01:29)
Girl, can hook you up. At one point, a little bit. Watching them migrate, watching their migration and them crossing the river is so intense because it's so dramatic and there's so many and there's some that don't make it, which is tragic. And then there's like, you know, but it's beautiful too. Just like all the wildlife working together in one space is just insane. It was just so cool.

Cady Moore (1:01:30)
Did you cry? Did you cry?

Huh? Huh?

⁓

full body

chills right now what the fuck ⁓

Sharilyn (1:01:58)
So you like the

Lindy (1:01:58)
I don't know.

Sharilyn (1:01:59)
wildebeest migration like they have to cross the river and it's dramatic like you literally saw the wildebeest Super Bowl in person You are a main character. I'm gonna say it again You've seen will to be a Super Bowl. Okay, that was

Lindy (1:02:05)
Right?

it's crazy.

Cady Moore (1:02:12)
Okay, the

AI art of that is gonna be crazy.

Lindy (1:02:16)
Hahaha!

Sharilyn (1:02:16)
Insane.

my gosh, okay, and is there any places that you would like maybe not want to go to or is on your list to go to next?

Lindy (1:02:24)
I have so many places. I spent some time in Southeast Asia, because that's where I my study abroad. I'm looking to go back there. I would like to do more of Africa. I want to get at least the six continents other than Antarctica in the next few years is my goal. I know, but that's how I... Right? I've learned how to get really thrifty with it, and I travel with a group, and I've gotten really good at plane tickets and such. So there's...

Sharilyn (1:02:30)
Amazing.

Cady Moore (1:02:37)
Cause that shit's expensive. Like, like who's got 20 grand? Like the fuck in this economy? No.

But how do you thrifty

get to Antarctica? don't... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. like, I specifically mean, I specifically mean getting to Antarctica and this economy. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta have a billionaire boyfriend or something. Like, I don't fucking know. Ooh.

Lindy (1:02:54)
Well, that one, yeah, no, that's why it's not on the list.

Sharilyn (1:02:56)
Yeah.

Lindy (1:03:00)
Gotcha. Yeah, no, no.

Sharilyn (1:03:02)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Lindy (1:03:05)
Exactly.

Sharilyn (1:03:08)
Knowing me, me trying to be thrifty going to Antarctica to end up in like the ocean gate submersible on my way there. ⁓

Lindy (1:03:13)
Ha ha ha ha!

Cady Moore (1:03:15)
gonna say

like grab it onto a leopard seal's tail. I'm like hey babe can you can you just like drag me? It's fine. Drag me babe.

Lindy (1:03:18)
Perfect.

Sharilyn (1:03:18)
⁓ yes. Yeah. You're like,

I can go on a seal and I was like, I can go on a billionaires like shoddily made ship that's a submersible.

Cady Moore (1:03:31)
Well, cause if

I'm gonna die, I wanna do it with ⁓ the wild, not with a bunch of rich men. ⁓ God.

Sharilyn (1:03:38)
That's true. That's true. Honestly, absolutely valid. Okay, I love that. And

Lindy (1:03:38)
I get it. Yep.

Sharilyn (1:03:43)
we also have a bunch of silly questions. Cady, do want to start off with some of them? These are good.

Cady Moore (1:03:45)
Yes.

Okay, so first question. If Shibari had a Yelp review, what would the five star review say? What would the one star review say?

Lindy (1:03:58)
Okay, five stars, positive experience, good negotiation, consent the whole time, felt challenged but not pushed too hard, ⁓ got into the headspace like you were describing, like that really high headspace or a cut of rope space. And then for one, somebody's doing...

Sharilyn (1:04:14)
Mm-hmm that like euphoria which is crazy. Yeah

Cady Moore (1:04:23)
Used a jute

rope. Hated it. Sorry, that's me projecting.

Lindy (1:04:26)
hated it didn't know what they were doing

or

Sharilyn (1:04:29)
Yeah.

Lindy (1:04:29)
trying to do more above their skill level. That's always a problem. And they're like, yeah, I could suspend you and they've tied like twice in their life like probably, not a good time.

Cady Moore (1:04:32)
Mmm. Mmm, mm-mm.

Sharilyn (1:04:33)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

You

don't want to have your arteries cut off by friction by someone who doesn't know what they're doing, generally. Okay, I...

Lindy (1:04:45)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Cady Moore (1:04:48)
was

gonna make a very dark joke and then changed my mind. So I made it by saying that I was gonna make the joke.

Lindy (1:04:51)
You

Sharilyn (1:04:51)
Good job!

I'm so proud of you. Say it to us and then we'll cut it. You guys can see it on our Patreon. It's $5. ⁓

Lindy (1:04:58)
haha

Cady Moore (1:05:02)
That's it. That's the punchline. But I didn't want to make ⁓ an unaliving joke on the pod. I'm not on my luteal phase anymore. There's sunshine.

Sharilyn (1:05:03)
still on the uptake.

We're like positivity. You're shedding a decidual cast, okay? ⁓

Lindy (1:05:14)
you

Sharilyn (1:05:16)
Which I just learned about, like if you get your period, you can literally shed the whole cast, like a cast lining of your uterus. It's called a decidual cast.

Lindy (1:05:23)
Whoa,

fascinating.

Cady Moore (1:05:25)
Yo, I'm googling that shit right now.

Sharilyn (1:05:26)
Yeah, crazy. Okay,

Cady Moore (1:05:30)
A decidual cast occurs when the entire endometrial lining of the uterus is shed in one piece, usually due to high levels of progesterone followed by a sudden drop, sometimes linked to birth control or miscarriages in pregnancy loss. So instead of breaking down gradually, like in a typical period, the lining detaches completely intact, creating a piece of tissue that is shaped like the uterine cavity.

Passing a decidual cast can be extremely painful and alarming, but in most cases it is not dangerous once it's expelled. While very rare, they are a striking example of how menstrual and reproductive health experiences can be vastly different from person to person.

Sharilyn (1:06:10)
I really like this one.

If ropes could talk, what would they complain about during a session? Cady came up with this one.

Cady Moore (1:06:14)
I love this one. ⁓

Lindy (1:06:15)
Uhhh... ⁓

Sharilyn (1:06:19)
Yeah.

Lindy (1:06:20)
Well,

mine are probably complaining to like, seriously, you're getting another set of rope? Do you need more ropes? ⁓

Sharilyn (1:06:26)
What about

me? You just bought me last week. You ordered four more?

Lindy (1:06:29)
Right? Right? Yeah, that would be a big one.

Be like, wow, you're throwing me on the ground again? I'm little mean to them, you know. Or I take them outside a lot, I do a lot of stuff. Seriously, again? Right? Too hot, too dirty.

Sharilyn (1:06:39)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Cady Moore (1:06:42)
It's too hot out here. Can we have some air conditioning?

Sharilyn (1:06:47)
Yeah, can we air out?

Absolutely. Okay, that's really cute. I love that. I misinterpreted this one, by the way.

Cady Moore (1:06:52)
Okay, so this was one of mine

when Sharilyn texted me and was like, do you have any silly ideas? And I was like, well, knots make me think of sailors. So what kind of sailor would you be if you were a sailor?

Sharilyn (1:07:05)
I thought you meant Sailor Scout, but this is better.

Cady Moore (1:07:08)
⁓ no, no, no, I fully, that's why I asked you, also responded with what sea shanty lives rent free in your head and why is it A Whale of a Tale by Kirk Douglas? I mean, specifically.

Lindy (1:07:08)
That's

Sharilyn (1:07:15)
⁓ I thought you were just saying that because

you're ADHD and I just rolled with it. And I was like, yes, baby. The Wellerman is my favorite sea shanty.

Cady Moore (1:07:23)
No, well I am and they're

Lindy (1:07:25)
Obviously.

Cady Moore (1:07:25)
and they are tied to each other. For the record, I would be Red. I would be the pirate wench from the Pirates of the Caribbean. And the sea shanty that lives rent free in my head is A Whale of a Tale by Kirk Douglas. But what what sailor would you be?

Sharilyn (1:07:27)
Yeah.

Lindy (1:07:33)
Whoa.

Oh

gosh, I know. feel like I have to do something with mermaids, know, if it's a hair fade. I don't know. Sorry. Yeah, let's do that.

Cady Moore (1:07:45)
Mmm, you could be a mermaid. You could be a siren

Sharilyn (1:07:48)
Yeah, honestly,

which would be an amazing rope performance of you as like a siren. ⁓ Sorry I'm projecting my fantasies again, guys, I need to chill.

Cady Moore (1:07:51)
Hot.

yes! my god tying ulysses

to the mast! Tie ulysses to the mast! Do it! ⁓

Lindy (1:08:01)
Yes!

Sharilyn (1:08:03)
Yes, ⁓ I'd probably be Captain

Barbossa and no, I will not elaborate. ⁓

Cady Moore (1:08:07)
⁓ Before or after

Lindy (1:08:08)
haha

Cady Moore (1:08:11)
the tentacle dreads. Before or after you become a mind flayer.

Sharilyn (1:08:14)
Yes.

Next question. Which Ted Lasso character would you enjoy tying or would benefit from Shibari the most and why?

Lindy (1:08:31)
Ooh, okay, well there was that reference with Beard and the rope at the very end. So you know he's already into it. ⁓ I don't know, think it'd be good for, I don't know. I think it'd be good for Roy. He needs to relax a little. ⁓

Cady Moore (1:08:39)
Yeah, I know my answer.

Mmm.

Sharilyn (1:08:50)
Yeah.

And see, and that's the that's that is like the funny thing. I think the thing that we've talked about throughout this is like, is like what Shibari can be. And I think the misconception is that like it's like the scary, like kinky, owie, painful thing. And you're like, yeah, he can really relax. And from my experience, I was like, yeah, I literally was in a state of like euphoria when I was suspended. Like I was literally like I literally was like a fainting goat, like when you scare them and they like just go like that. Like once I was off, I was just like, this is the best.

Cady Moore (1:08:52)
Good choice.

Yeah.

Just melt.

Sharilyn (1:09:20)
It really is so relaxing. Okay, I love that answer. And then I don't think we finished this last one.

Cady Moore (1:09:22)
I love it.

for what it's worth, interjecting

that my answer is gonna be Rebecca for the same reason. And she obviously has chilled out a lot, but I also like lowkey think that she's actually a kinky freak.

Lindy (1:09:29)
Yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

Cady Moore (1:09:38)
So like hers would be relaxing and then discovering like, ⁓ kink exists. And then she was just gonna be the fucking hot babe. Yeah. Love that bitch.

Sharilyn (1:09:45)
Yeah, the second

Lindy (1:09:45)
Hahaha

Sharilyn (1:09:48)
sisterhood of artistic rope.

Lindy (1:09:50)
I'm here for it. I want to be in that one. She's so hot.

Sharilyn (1:09:52)
Absolutely.

Cady Moore (1:09:54)
And

then I think the last silly question was also a me dumping my ideas ⁓ because another thing that knots made me think of was scouts, like girl scouts and boy scouts. So if you got a badge for your day today what badge would you get? For example, mine was, I made the bed.

Lindy (1:10:15)
Ugh.

Woo!

Cady Moore (1:10:20)
and it would have a cute little made bed on it, that would be my badge that I got today. Or in general, if today feels too hard.

Lindy (1:10:28)
Mm-hmm. Um, I did a lot today. So I'd say I Don't know speedrunning through the day I had my full-time job and then I taught class for my SOAR group and then came here so we've been running I Did I manage to eat meals in the middle of all that? So success

Cady Moore (1:10:41)
Did you eat multiple meals?

Sharilyn (1:10:47)
You literally

Cady Moore (1:10:47)
So you ate

Sharilyn (1:10:48)
are

Cady Moore (1:10:48)
meals today. It's true. It's true. The Elle Woods of Rope.

Sharilyn (1:10:48)
Elle Woods of Shibari. I love this. What? Like it's hard. Literally the Elle Woods of rope. Um, my, yeah, my badge would be today. I went grocery shopping in person at the store and I didn't do a grocery order, which there's nothing wrong with grocery orders. I love grocery orders, but I get hella anxiety when I go to a grocery store and there's people with their carts and they're leaving them in places.

Cady Moore (1:10:56)
That's your badge, Elle Woods of rope.

Lindy (1:11:04)
Wow.

Cady Moore (1:11:10)
same.

Sharilyn (1:11:13)
and I'm trying to get by and that woman is in front of the yogurt and I can't get my fucking yogurt and that's what I came here for. But I went today in person, I went to Publix because they have $5 sushi on Wednesday, $5 sushi rolls on Wednesday and I got hella that and I made it in and out of there and I was in my car and I was like, I did it because I generally try and avoid them. So mine was going to the grocery store.

Cady Moore (1:11:19)
Ugh.

Fook yeah, and it would have a cute little cart on it. It be a cute little cart badge. The badge would have a cute little cart on it.

Sharilyn (1:11:38)
⁓ no. ⁓ yeah, my god, that would be really cute. The badge would have a cute

little curve and a happy little sushi being like, "We did it!" I love that so much. Okay, what was this last one? ⁓

Lindy (1:11:46)
I love it.

Cady Moore (1:11:47)
Yes. Ugh.

That was

for me for later. That was a next time. That was a next time question. That was not a this question. Because we were talking about the fact that Lilith is shedding and I am also shedding my uterine lining. ⁓ Lilith is my snake for the people who are new. Apparently it's a very rare event. I don't think I've ever shed.

Sharilyn (1:11:55)
Can you tell Lindy what it says?

This

Your decidual cast.

I know, I just love saying it.

Cady Moore (1:12:17)
So the question if you could be a creature that sheds its skin, what would it be? But that's not relevant to this, so we're gonna save that for another episode.

Sharilyn (1:12:22)
Yeah, but it's

funny because all she wrote, all she wrote was if you could be a creature that sheds its skin. Yes or no? Yes. I love that.

Lindy (1:12:23)
you

Cady Moore (1:12:29)
And that's on neurodivergence baby! ⁓

Lindy (1:12:35)
I love it. It's so good.

Cady Moore (1:12:37)
okay, Lindy can you real quick give us another rundown of where people can find you and support your work please because we want them to do that because you're amazing and we're so glad that you are doing what you do and bringing light and good to the world.

Lindy (1:12:53)
Thank you. Yes. So like I said, Instagram is probably best. It's at sisterhood of artistic rope with a period in between each word. Facebook is SOAR KC, FetLife is also SOAR KC. I'm at the same like little blue logo on all the pages. My personal Instagram is @hopsandropes. Feel free to shoot me a message. Be like, I heard you on the podcast. Um,

Sharilyn (1:13:06)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yes,

Lindy (1:13:17)
So those are the best ones.

Sharilyn (1:13:18)
absolutely.

Lindy (1:13:19)
think giving follows supporting I'm working kind of I'd like to come out, reempt some of the social media stuff, so bear with me there, but. Otherwise, I think.

Sharilyn (1:13:26)
Absolutely. And for people who are looking

Cady Moore (1:13:27)
Hell yeah, girl.

Sharilyn (1:13:28)
to take classes, they have links on all of these for your classes and your performances that you guys have. know you said you guys are done for the season right now, but all upcoming ones following your social media, going on classes, they can find that on like IG and all of that.

Lindy (1:13:36)
Mm-hmm.

Absolutely. And if people are local to Kansas City, shoot me a message. I'm happy to help you kind of get into the right groups, you know, and find kind of different things. There's different things for different people. So happy to just kind of assist there. ⁓ And people wanting involved, yeah, I would love that. Or people will start coming to classes. If you're a femme identified human, that'd be lovely. But there's other things for cis men too. So that'll be great as well.

Sharilyn (1:14:10)
I love that! Well, thank you so much for joining us I have to say like I'm so inspired by you because I think people who like actively see a need in the world that or a space that should be filled and actively go and pursue it and not only like pursue it but create it and put their time it like obviously you're talking about how busy you are put their time and energy into it for queer folks for For like neurodivergent people for people who are into kink and BDSM ⁓

for people who are just wanting to explore artistically but do so in a safe way where it's vetted and this is like legitimate and all of that. Like you are just such a trailblazer and to be doing this at your age and like this is incredible and you inspire me, you inspire Cady and I'm so excited to like share you with the world because I've been like talking about you non-stop. I need to stop you guys. I need to chill.

Lindy (1:14:57)
⁓ No. No.

Cady Moore (1:15:00)
No, you don't. No, don't. It's great.

yay.

Lindy (1:15:03)
thank you so

much just for having me and giving me space. I'm just very

And it's just been a really fun journey. Our SOAR community is just, it's just a group of amazing humans. And it's just been such a beautiful journey to watch everybody grow and get involved. And I really appreciate the space to be able to share that with the world because we've had amazing couple of years and I'm excited for what comes next for us.

Sharilyn (1:15:22)
Absolutely. Yes.

Absolutely. And that's why we're here. We want to platform folks like you who are just doing such amazing things for their communities and in their communities.

And you're amazing. So thank you once again.

Lindy (1:15:38)
I love your podcast. I love what you're doing. I think it's a needed thing in the world and it's just been fun. I love it.

Cady Moore (1:15:44)
Just two silly girls being silly.

Sharilyn (1:15:47)
We're just,

we're all queer, kinky, silly girls just platforming with other queer kinky girls, it's just amazing. We're the brotherhood of sisters. Yeah, we're the brotherhood of sisters.

Lindy (1:15:50)
Right?

It is.

Cady Moore (1:15:54)
It's the best. This is we gotta- got to platform each other.

This.

Sharilyn (1:16:00)
Yay! Thank you, Angel! my god, I'm so excited for it. I cannot wait for this to come out.

Lindy (1:15:59)
All right, sounds good. Thank you both so much. This was so special.

Cady Moore (1:16:00)
Thank you so much. You're amazing. Thank you.

Lindy (1:16:05)
Thank you. Have

Cady Moore (1:16:05)
So excited.

Lindy (1:16:06)
a good night.

Cady Moore (1:16:11)
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